Logging Fun with UVR16x2: Photovoltaic Generator – Modbus – CAN Bus

The Data Kraken wants to grow new tentacles.

I am playing with the CMI – Control and Monitoring Interface – the logger / ‘ethernet gateway’ connected to our control units (UVR1611, UVR16x2) via CAN bus. The CMI has become a little Data Kraken itself: Inputs and outputs can be created for CAN bus and Modbus, and data from most CAN devices can also be logged via JSON.

Are these features useful to integrate the datalogger of our photovoltaics inverter – Fronius Symo 4.5-3-M? I am now logging data to an USB stick and feed the CSV files to the SQL Server Data Kraken. The USB logger’s logging interval is 5 minutes whereas Modbus TCP allows for logging every few seconds. The inverter has built-in energy management features, but it can only ‘signal’ via a relay which also requires proper wiring. Modbus TCP, on the other hand, could use the existing WLAN connection of the inverter and the control unit could do something smarter with the sensor reading of the output power.

My motivation is to test if you – as an UVR16x2 user – can re-use a logger you  already have – the CMI – as much as possible, avoiding the need to run another ‘logging server’ all the time (Also my SQL Server is for analysis, not for real-time logging). I know that there are many open source Modbus clients available and that it is easy to write a Python script.

Activate Modbus on the inverter: I prefer floating numbers to integers plus a scaling factor, and I turn off the option to make changes via Modbus:

Modbus settings, Fronius Datalogger, inverter’s local web server. 502 is the TCO standard port. The alternative to floating numbers is integers plus a varying scaling factor (SF), to be found in another register.

Check Fronius documentation of its Modbus registers: The document is currently available here. There are different sets of registers related to the inverter or associated with one string of PV panels:

PDF p.97, Common Inverter Model. For logging AC output power you need:  Address 40092, type of register 3 (read and hold), datatype float32 (‘corresponds’ to two 16bit integer register, thus size 2).

The address to be configured on a Modbus client is smaller than this address by 1 – so 40091 needs to be set to log AC power.

Using these configuration parameters an analog Modbus Input is added at the CMI. The signal is ‘digital’ – but in field-bus-language everything that is not a single bit – 0/1 – seems to be ‘analog’.

Modbus input at the CMI. Input value:  32bits read from the bus interpreted as an integer. Actual value: Integer part of the ‘true value’ = the 32bits interpreted as 32-bit float.

Yes, I checked the network trace 😉 as the byte order dropdown menu confused me: According to the Modbus protocol specification Big Endian is required, not an option.

Factors and data types: Only integer values are understood by CAN devices. Decimal places might be indicated by a scaling factor. The PV power value in Watt has enough significant digits; so the integer part of the float number is fine. But for current in Ampere – typically about 15A maximum – a Factor of 10 would be better. It would not have helped to select int + scaling factor at the inverter: The scaling factor would be stored in a second register, there is a different factor for every parameter, and you cannot configure another ‘scaling factor register’ per input at the CMI. Theoretically you could log the scaling factor separately and re-scale the value in a custom application – but then I would use a separate, custom logger.

In any case, if you screw this up, you see non-sensible numbers of the CAN bus: Slowly evolving positive values – like PV power on a sunny day – are displayed as wild variations of signed integers between -32000 and 32000 😉

Where are the ‘logged’ data? The CMI is first and foremost the data logger for the control units. The CMI does not immediately store the data from Modbus inputs in a  local ‘logging database’. All I have achieved so far is to display the value on the Settings page. The CMI can only log values from the CAN bus or DL bus. So we need an…

… Analog CAN Output at the CMI:

The CMI has the default node number 56 on the CAN bus. Other CAN devices on the bus can query it for this parameter by specifying node 56 and output no 1.

These are the devices on our CAN bus:

CAN bus displayed on the CMI’s website. UVR1611 and UVR16x2 controllers can be managed by clicking their icons – which brings up a web page that resembles the controller’s local display.

The CMI’s Logging page looks tempting – can we simply select the CMI itself as a CAN logging source – CAN 56?

Configuration of the devices the CMI logs data from, via CAN bus. CAN 1 – UVR1611, CAN 2 – UVR16x3, CAN 41 – energy meter CAN-EZ.

Nothing stops you from selecting CAN 56 in this dropdown menu, but it does not end well:

CAN error message displayed at the logger CMI when you try to configure the CMI also as a logging source.

We need a round-trip: Data needs to be sent to a supported device first – one of the controllers on the CAN bus. We need an…

… Analog CAN input / network variable at the UVR16x2:

Configuration of a CAN input at the controller UVR16x2 (via CMI’s web interface to the controller).

The value of AC power is displayed as integer without scaling. Had a factor of 10 been used at the Modbus input it would be ‘corrected’ here, using the Unit called dimensionless,1.

logging-uvr16x2-can-network-input-can-value-display

Values received by the controller UVR16x2 over CAN bus.

Result of all this: UVR16x2 knows PV power and can use it do magic smart things when controlling the heat pump. On the other hand, CMI can log this value – in the same way it logs all other sensor readings.

Log files are retrieved by Winsol, the free logging software for the CMI …

Logged visualized with Winsol. Logfiles are downloaded from the CMI on the internal LAN or via Technsche Alternative’s web portal. PV power (PV.Leistung.Watt) is displayed together with global radiation on a vertical plane (GBS, at the solar/air collector for the theat pump), ambient temperature (red), temperature of solar/air collector (orange)

… or logging is configured at the web portal cmi.ta.co.at …

Configuration of logging at cmi.ta.co.at: Supported loggers are UVR1611 and UVR16x2. Values to be logged are selected from all direct inputs / outputs / functions and from CAN network inputs and outputs.

… and data can be viewed online:

Data visualized at cmi.ta.co.at. Data logged via CAN are sent from the CMI to the web portal.

Using this kind of logging for all values the inverter provides would be costly: It’s not just a column you add to a log file, but you occupy one of the limited inputs and outputs at the CMI and the controller. If you really need to know the voltage between phase 1 and 2 or apparent power you better stick with the USB file or use a separate Modbus logger like a Rasbperry Pi. This project is great and documented very well – data acqusition from a Symo inverter using Python plus a web front end.

Sending Modbus data back and forth from the CMI to UVR controllers is only worth the efforts if you need them for control, not for ‘nice-to-have’ logging.

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